The following is a series of arguments I had on Facebook last night, the other people will remain nameless to protect their identity!
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker doesn't believe in destiny, psychic mediums, alien Greys stealing people in the dead of night, ghostly happenings or haunted houses...
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker...or anything else so obviously ridiculous, not only are paranormal happenings preposterous they are also impossible! In science fiction, Hell in fiction, TV, movies, stories of all kinds such happenings are cool, ace, awesome! But in the real World, you know reality, the Universe that every living, and non living, thing inhabits paranormal occurrences, events, are just plain fiction! Anyone who claims otherwise is either A) a liar or B) and possibly worst, a mental case! I live in a World, nay Universe, where facts are common place, all living creatures, including Homo Sapiens, evolved in a complex manner of thousands/millions of years, this is a FACT, and not one that can be dismissed or even argued against, as there is no argument against evolution, because it's you know a FACT! A caucasian male with a long white beard living in the sky did NOT create a Goddamn thing, not even himself! Men created gods and goddesses, angels and demons, vampires and werewolves, such things do not exist in anyway shape or form outside of someone's imagination, or the aforementioned workings of fiction! In my World, the real World, there's this really hard to understand kinda thing, that correctly, in a matter of fact manner explains, well, virtually everything, from the creation of the Universe to the simple operation of a social network! This sort of thing is known as science, it's complicated, hard to understand but makes perfect sense, because it's you know based upon theories, experimentation and observation, which together make up this mostly ignored idea called a fact!
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker In addendum to the above, courtesy of the rather fantastic website Bad Astronomy: The record for the most distant object in the Universe ever seen has been smashed: a galaxy has been found at the staggering distance of 13.1 billion light years!
That’s a galaxy, probably smaller and more compact than our Milky Way, but a galaxy. It’s so dim that the faintest star you can see with your unaided eye is 4 billion times brighter. Its distance is simply numbing; the Universe itself is only 13.7 billion years old, so the light from this object began its journey on its way to Earth just 600 million years after the Universe itself formed.
Nameless Person #1 i saw an angel !!!!
Nameless Person #2 Santa is real though !!!!
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker No Mother of mine! You did not! Angels are fictional creations that derive their Christian origin from Greek mythology, the word angel originates in Ancient Greece, Angelos, which as I understand it means messenger! The, fictional, representation of such ethereal beings, at least the representation we know and love (hate) today is due to the Renaissance Artists, mainly men of Italian birth who were indoctrinated in the ways of Catholicism/Christianity! They obviously based the physical appearance of these fictional beings upon the descriptions in Greek myth of the god Eros! Most likely!
I would suggest that your hallucination was due to the fact that you were either A) dreaming or B) INSANE! Thank you for sharing your superstitious belief, if only you were able to see the craziness of your paranormal beliefs and embrace the all consuming truthfulness of science!
Nameless Person #1 i am insane !!! my son says dont know what gave him that idea ?????
Nameless Person #3 What about the tooth fairy?
Nameless Person #1 exactly!!
Nameless Person #4 i read evolution is rubbish cause there is no evidence of what we evolved from! in all the stuff we've found we still not found the missing link
Nameless Person #3 Oh dear bad thing 2 say
Nameless Person # 4 lol only saying what i read...will find it out and write exactly what it said
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ barker Missing link? Let's go back in time from us modern humans or Homo Sapiens to Homo Heidelbergensis to Homo Erectus to Homo Ergaster to Homo Habilis and there we have the Genus Homo! Before this there was the Genus Australopithecus, of which in descending order Sedba, Garhi, Africanus, Bahrelgezhali, Afarensis, Anamensis thus the ancestors of Homo Sapiens continues and continues right until the convergence between our earliest ancestors and those of chimpanzees! Really, anyone persuaded by I don't know unscience that real science in this case Evolution, is not correct really needs to read the works of Charles Darwin or perhaps pursue the works of our very own modern Richard Dawkins! If you have read that evolution is rubbish then that writer or those writers are obviously retarded and perhaps are followers of some fictional creator God, who looks just like a caucasian old man floating about in nowhere, somewhere in the sky, which is quite frankly such nonsense, it was laughable when I was a small child, in these more enlightened times it's beyond laughable! It's not even worthy of my laugh! Anyone who doesn't understand that evolution is a fact, not just something some blokes made up one day, like religious beliefs are, but is based on verifiable evidence, based upon the fact we exist on a World billions of years old, that all life began through a complex manner! That evolution is not fiction! Which creationism is, yeah one day this old, perverted, bloke created all life on this small blue planet, which he also created, then he created this white bloke who he called Adam, when he saw Adam was lonely he created some stupid white chick that then made Adam's life Hell and got him evicted from paradise, then what happened was Adam and this chick had children two boys, and the boys became men and took wives! Hold on a minute, the children, two boys who grew to be men took for themselves wives? From where? There's Adam and this chick the only two people, humans, created by God, then where did all this other people suddenly appear from? Hold on, somethings not adding up here!
How did God make the World? If he did make the World did he make Mars and Jupiter? The other planets? Why isn't it mentioned in the Bible, the word of God? How did he, God, do all this wonderful creating? With, hmm, let me guess magic, whoo! Magic! But, if God created everything, the World, the Universe, all men, and women, then who created God? Don't tell me because I already know, men created God, because God is a fictional creation, unlike evolution which is fact!
Nameless Person #3 Go justin wooooooo
Nameless Person #4 oh so my writer is retarded but yours is right, That sounds about right for you Justin
Nameless Person #3 haha
Nameless Person #4 and what was before chimps
Nameless Person #3 Dinosaurs raaaaaahhhhhhh
Nameless Person #4 Sorry had 2 put that lol
Nameless Person #4 lo peppa pig
Nameless Person #3 Peppa pig what?
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Obviously your writer is retarded, anyone who denies evolution is a retard because evolution is a fact, the same way gravity is a fact, the sky is a fact, the Earth being an imperfect globe and not flat is a fact! If people choose to believe in stupid things, that are not real, do not exist and deny facts, what does that make them? I believe it makes them a retard! Plus, Charles Darwin, scientist, Richard Dawkins, scientist, people who deny evolution, mainly God fearing folk, stupid!
A common mistake people who know nothing about evolution make is, we, humans, evolved from chimpanzees so why are there still chimpanzees? We, or our ancestors at least did NOT evolve from chimpanzees or monkeys, we humans share a common ancestor with chimpanzees and later still back through the mists of time monkeys! It's a silly mistake to make and only a little science corrects that mistake!
As for you Amy! Yes, dinosaurs raaaaaahhhh indeed, though exclamation marks after your raaaaaahhhh, would have been appropriate!
Nameless Person #4 ooh read it wrong. we did evolve but not from apes so ner lol
Nameless Person #3 Lol DINOSAURS RAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Ha! Ha! Ha! Excellent, little debate and of course we didn't evolve from apes for we are apes!
Nameless Person #4 i'm a retard then, cause i believe in evolution but i also believe in other things, which you can only say you dont believe not that they dont exist. to say something dont exist because you dont believe makes you narrow minded not clever
and it reads we and apes evolved from a commom ancestor from the Pliocene era and he has not been found! Then why should i believe he exists?
actually we evolved from squirrel like tree shrews so we are not apes
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker I don't claim to be clever, as I am not, and yes I am narrow minded, evidence of supernatural or paranormal happenings need to be presented and proved, beyond any reasonable doubt, for me to believe in such nonsense. Psychic mediums, ghostly occurrences, alien landings, no verifiable, provable evidence! In my World, the real one, people do not fly through the air defying gravity, people cannot see into the future defying physical laws, people do not get possessed or have dead folk come back to plague them, defying the entire fact of dying, ceasing to be!
As far as the belief in an almighty God goes, nope, not a chance, the Bible is a book that was influenced by far earlier religious texts, for example, the Enuma Elish, stories like creation, Noah's Ark, Moses and Jesus originated in civilisations far older than those of the ancient Israelites, fact!
Nameless Person #4 and why do you think angels and destiny and ghosts etc. what proof do you have they dont exist?
no proof yet! evololution is real but how long after we started to exist was that proven? things could be true for thousands of years before they are proven but dont mean they aren't true
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker We are apes! There are six ape species Gorillas, Chimpanzees, the Bonobos, Gibbons, Orangutans and Humans!
Yes, small mammals survived a cataclysmic event that led to the extinction of many more dominant species! As these small rodents evolved over time, many millions of years, through having to adapt to different regions, different environments, the strong, those mammals that had the ability to survive harsh conditions, terrible predators, eventually evolved into many different species of which we are a descendant of one. Evolution is trial by error! The vast amount of time such events occur is so huge people cannot get their heads around it. We, humans, are nothing more than an animal, ape!
Nameless Person #4 disagree, sticking with tree shrews.the latest comparison of genomes of humans and our closet relative the chimp shows we possibly interbred to produce a now extinct hybrid species before the final seperation 5.4 million years ago. starfish, hedgehogs then tree shrews
and like i said before, it could be thousands of years before something is proven eg evolution. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist or it is not true before it is proven does it....just means you dont believe not that is itsn't true
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Well destiny is fiction, of course it is, unless of course everything is predetermined, that would mean every action, every word! No person could ever be punished for any act they carried out because it wouldn't be their fault it's just that person's predetermined life! Like someone had wrote their entire life before they even had a chance to live it! You might as well believe we are living in The Matrix! Destiny would also dictate that Hitler wasn't responsible for his actions! Nor are paedophiles! Children who are abused were just born to! Nope, believing in destiny is a terrible idea! As for angels, yep, definitely fictional creations, no doubt, no denying it!
Nameless Person #4 prove there are no angels
aah now you can say thats destiny but there is a philosophy that some people choose to do stuff on earth to advance their spiritual level EG a spirit may choose to be murdered on the earth plane to advance spiritually, so their actions are pre planned
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker There is evidence of hybrid species, Neandethalensis, a species separate to Homo Sapiens, a genuine other human! All science, via scientists, claims is that certain things through observable evidence, verifiable, through many sources, experimental sources prove certain facts! It's through the use of our human brains that certain things can be considered real and not just imaginative! Angels, for an example, are just imaginative creations, not real entities! If we believe that 4000 years ago people claimed to see angels and that yes these creatures exist, then do we also accept that Djinn exist? Giants? Demons? The Greek deities? The Nordic? No we do not, it is in these more enlightened modern times considered fact that giants, djinn, demons, the Greek deities and the Nordic deities are just fictional creations of primitive people! Which such beings so obviously are! However I would, if I had to choose to believe in such nonsense, sooner believe that the all seeing Odin, father of the mighty Thor, created the Nine Worlds and all living creatures within them after he and his brothers Vili and Ve murdered the giant Ymir and formed the Nine Worlds from his dying body than believe that an angry, violent, woman hating, war loving, baby killing, homophobic, racist, bastard created the World and all life upon it, like Jews, Christians and Muslims do!
Nameless Person #4 thats a silly argument that if you believe one thing exists then you gotta believe everything else exists!! You cant prove angels dont exist you can just say you dont believe in them, you talk about proof but if you cant prove something doesn't exist then you cant say it doesn't. i cant prove i feel certain thoughts or emotions but i know they are real
can you honestly sit and give me solid proof they dont exist
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker There are no angels because there's no such thing as God, Yahweh, Jehovah, Jesus, you can't have angels without having a God! The Bible is just a collection of stories, contradictory in places, that have been mistranslated many times, over many years, one of the most venerable angels is Metatron, who because we live in the modern World and are far smarter than primitive people many years ago, know that he isn't an angel he's a Transformer, probably a Decepticon! The entire belief in angels, like in a God or many gods, originates in works of fiction! To prove something that doesn't exist doesn't exist is easy, especially in the case of angels, not one shred of evidence exists to prove the existence of such things, therefore no such thing as angels! It's like believing that events occurring on a soap opera, or any TV show/movie are real, who the Hell believes anything they see on TV? In the movie The Lord of the Rings, Aragorn eventually dies, the extended versions at least, Arwen mourns him, and eventually passes from Middle Earth, OMG! Aragorn's dead, but then I watched A History Of Violence, and Aragorn's still alive, in contemporary times, and just as frikkin' hard, only he isn't called Aragorn anymore he's someone else, what's happening? Oh! I get it, it's fiction!
Nameless Person #4 so before evolution was proven then according to your theory it was never true and it never happened.No proof doesn't make it real! We find new species every day, but you are saying until we find them they dont exist!
dr ian stevenson investigated 3000 cases of suggested reincarnation over 40 yrs. He said you may not know how something occurs but
but have plenty of evidence it does occur
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Emotions? Do you claim though that your emotions are physical entities with a will of their own flying about the Universe carrying out the orders of a child murdering God like being? No! You can't compare animal emotions to that of a belief in physical beings! Plus, are your emotions not just a by product of the society in which you have been born into? An example of this is the so called premenstrual tension or whatever its referred to these days, were women have baby like tantrums based upon a biological occurrence! Yet many years ago such things as PMT didn't exist, someone made it up and people chose to believe it! ADHD, didn't exist when I was a child, now every frakkin' kid born is diagnosed with it! In other societies, more basic and obviously existing in the so called Third World, do you think people have the same behaviour as people from the Western World? The same emotions! Hell, if people always emoted, and behaved throughout history the way they do now, there would be no humans on the planet, there would be no us, no Facebok and hence no discussion! Emotions are programmed into us from being babes first by our parents, and other family members, then through the interaction with other humans, we behave in the way we think, or have been indoctrinated to behave, emotions are not set in stone, not everyone experiences the same things in the same way! If they did then there would be only nice, decent English people in an area like Mansfield! Instead, I would estimate, in an area like Mansfield most people are c**ts! And that I can probably definitely prove! In addition, thoughts? Are you seriously trying to convince me that everyone has thoughts? I worked at Glenair for eleven years, I know for a fact that's not true!
When I was a small child Santa existed, then all of a sudden he didn't, because it's time to grow up now and abandon childish beliefs! Such ways of thinking can be applied to angels! Of course they don't exist! Of course I don't need to prove their non existence! There's more evidence that Superman exists than angels do, five movies and counting, hundreds of comic books, dozens of cartoons, at least six live action TV shows! How many TV shows about angels? I can think of only one Highway To Heaven, and it was s**t! If we are going to use fiction to prove the existence of anything or anyone, then let's use fiction to prove someone frikkin' awesome exists or existed!
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Reincarnation? Samantha please! There's about a thousand blokes walking the Earth claiming to be the reincarnation of King Arthur, a fictional being, several reincarnations of Jesus, a fictional being, I myself often claim to be a reincarnation of Sherlock Holmes, a fictional being! It's amazing reincarnation is! I wonder if there's a choice in the matter, you die go to Heaven, or wherever, and some asshole says, you my lad are being born again on planet Earth! Darth Vader style, NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Nope, Dr Jacob needs his head opening up his brain taking out and a new one placing in one that accepts reason and logic and not fairy tale nonsense!
Nameless Person #4 reincarnation is an example that can exist but can never be proven by science but can have enough information to assume is can exist. EG if lucas says one day he was someone else. knows the address he used to live, can tell me details about his previous family and i check it all out and its all true, then to me thats proof but science will never accept it cause it wasn't in a sterile experimental environment and they will say i have told him to say all this, so even though it could be true it will neverbe proven, but you will never listen to what i am saying cause you are always right. i never said my emotions are physical entities so you are reading my messages and interpreting them into how you want to for your augument so as i mansfield c**t i am leaving this conversation to talk to people who actually read what i'm saying, and it was dr ian not jacob,,another thing you didnt read properly. he was a well known and respected dr who studied this subject for 40 yrs. when you have interviewed 3000 cases personally on a subject justin and not just read a book on it and made your judgements then come back to me and show me your findings that reincarnation doesn't exist
Justin ‘Farm Boy’ Barker Naturally reincarnation doesn't exist! It's a very silly idea! In Hinduism, where I believe the notion of reincarnation originated, do they not believe that a person can reincarnate as a fly? If this is so then surely flies can reincarnate as humans, but no surprise, no person claims to be in a past life a fly! Yes, I did get Dr Ian Stevenson's name wrong, but I was referring to his, obviously, previous life! Your primitive superstitions amuse me, but there have no basis in any kind of facts it's just wishful thinking by people, like you, wishing that your life, and perhaps the lives of your loved ones, have some meaning in this Universe, which you really don't understand, the fact the Universe doesn't give a Goddamn about you bothers people like you so you create silly little belief systems, religions, the paranormal, pseudoscientific nonsense! It's unintelligent brain mush! I on the other hand accept that the Universe cares not one jot about my existence! That the World doesn't revolve around me! And my precious little life! Perhaps if more people could accept that the World doesn't revolve around them then perhaps Mansfield wouldn't be full of c**ts!
The above was a genuine disagreement that occurred on Facebook, the only editing I have done is to remove the names of the people involved, except mine own, naturally!
I do find people who have superstitious beliefs totally, stupendously, moronic! I will not show them any kind of respect ever! Not ever! They are not deserving of it! They will not get mine!
Millions of people have stupid belief systems, it’s shocking, it’s plainly stupid! Everything! All the people that love and maintain the belief in psychic mediums! If there was anyone psychic, able to see the future would they not just have a vision of the winning lottery numbers, become a millionaire, several times over, and then never bother people with their extraordinary gift again? I hate the answer to that question, people with psychic powers Justin cannot use them for personal gain, what a load of bollocks! They can’t use their powers to see future lottery numbers, but they can use them to obtain personal gain, money, from gullible idiots wanting to contact a dead loved one or have their future predicted! Insane bollocks! These idiots, I was going to use the word people, but these idiots don’t deserve to be referred to as people, only as idiots, or morons, or retards! There are more idiots, who also exhibit insane tendencies, upon planet Earth than there are sane, clever people! FACT!
why do you use a word like retarded?
Posted by: missionmom | 11/29/2010 at 02:29 AM
I use the word retarded to highlight that I find something, or someone, stupid, for example, I am constantly being an idiot, therefore I am retarded, lacking in intelligence! It's not meant to insult anyone, if I caused offence then I do apologise!
Posted by: UberGeek | 11/29/2010 at 08:36 AM